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Has the driver got an unfair advantage? You could run with a hand drawn map? I disagree strongly with that sentiment. I reckon that if someone has gone to the effort of sprinkling breadcrumbs for miles across the hills in advance of a race then good luck to them. It just cant have the route tracking option, altitude and distance are fine tp have displayed. A common sense compromise.

Quite possibly in some peoples eyes, I'd argue that the purest ethos would be for everyone to start the event blind. For me personally both pre-practice and GPS devalue the performance on the day. I did Jura in very bad weather one year and went up the next morning and there were footprints everywhere.

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I ended up 4th and was being over taken on most climbs by the leaders who would then get lost coming off the next descent. Anyway a good navigator will beat someone following a GPS track. I can nav pretty well but not compared to a top orienteer. They think real time, always planning a head.

No GPS track is that accurate on complex terrain. It'll get them there but a good navigator would a good map wins everytime. I think the use of GPS watches is fine. However the more modern ones which can show mapping is a step too far for me so think the use of basic functions like height and distance should be allowed but not anymore advanced features. I'm glad to see that they have compromised on allowing distance to be displayed as this is the only feature that I would regularly use, height I'm not so willing to use as it can be wildly inaccurate if calculated using GPS signals.

If I got desperately lost I'm sure that the phone would come out to display my position on an OS map but if that was the case I would probably be judging myself more harshly than any event organiser. I would very much agree on the navigational abilities of many fell runners.

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Many of them seemed incapable of beating a simple time cut off that should have been easy for an average hillwalker. All seems like a big fuss about nothing to me. I think people overestimate the number of people who follow a GPS trail during a race; I suspect it is vastly outnumbered by people who just follow the person in front and hope that they are going the right way!

They changed it before we started the conversation. I agree. I did Jura in very bad weather one year and went up the next morning and there were footprints everywhere. I ended up 4th and was being over taken on most climbs by the leaders who would then get lost coming off the next descent. Anyway a good navigator will beat someone following a GPS track. I can nav pretty well but not compared to a top orienteer. They think real time, always planning a head. No GPS track is that accurate on complex terrain. It'll get them there but a good navigator would a good map wins everytime.

I think the use of GPS watches is fine. However the more modern ones which can show mapping is a step too far for me so think the use of basic functions like height and distance should be allowed but not anymore advanced features. I'm glad to see that they have compromised on allowing distance to be displayed as this is the only feature that I would regularly use, height I'm not so willing to use as it can be wildly inaccurate if calculated using GPS signals. If I got desperately lost I'm sure that the phone would come out to display my position on an OS map but if that was the case I would probably be judging myself more harshly than any event organiser.

I would very much agree on the navigational abilities of many fell runners. Many of them seemed incapable of beating a simple time cut off that should have been easy for an average hillwalker. All seems like a big fuss about nothing to me. I think people overestimate the number of people who follow a GPS trail during a race; I suspect it is vastly outnumbered by people who just follow the person in front and hope that they are going the right way!


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They changed it before we started the conversation. I agree. But when they issue the route in advance it is so that people can reccy the route in advance. Pre-plotting the route and uploading it to your own GPS isn't having someone else recce the route for you? So uploading one that you have produced yourself using mapping software is OK in your book? That said it seems a little perverse to worry about uploading another runners GPX file when half the field is likely to blindly following the runner in front anyway ;.

So the person who has the luxury of living in an events backyard and training over the race route has an advantage over someone who puts in the same volume of training on similar terrain but can't recce the route? The navigational element of fell racing is severely compromised with or without GPS. The FRA are fairly clear on it.

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Welded at the start. In reply to ablackett: I agree with all of that. In reply to ablackett: Going back to map and compass is a laudable aim but the dirty secret of fell running is that an awful lot of people are actually rubbish at navigating including some very fast people. Same if people want to carry gps units as backup.

Deleted bagger 14 May In reply to richlan: What proportion of people who run over, say, miles and climb over, say, , ft in a year do not, do you think, routinely use GPS devices these days? David Riley 15 May DancingOnRock 15 May Who seem to be letting it run for now. Simon Caldwell 15 May In reply to timjones: Knowing the route doesn't seem to help much when the clag's down.

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Robert Durran 15 May In reply to steelbru: An altimeter only confirms your thinking, a GPS removes the thinking altogether. In reply to Robert Durran: If you're embracing the technology of compass and altimeter the logic of shunning GPS seems a little illogical. Post edited at In reply to summo: I use an altimeter in mountain marathons and it has changed our tactics, as well as made us a lot quicker well, we are still as slow at running as ever but can make more nav gains.